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what are long tail ppc campaigns
« on: May 21, 2009, 04:47:05 AM »
What is long-tail PPC campaigns........ i have no idea about this matter .... Help needed ....
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Re: what are long tail ppc campaigns
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2009, 11:19:09 PM »
It refers to long-tail keywords used in the PPC campaign. In the case of a long tail PPC campaign you are bidding on keywords of 3 words or more.

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2009, 12:45:15 AM »
The long tail is an economic concept that says the collective demand for less-popular items can exceed the most popular added together.

In clear, while most SEO and SEM are struggling for the most popular keywords, it can be cost effective to optimize your site (or target your PPC campaign) on less popular keywords that added together can drive up to 80% of the traffic.

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« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2009, 01:10:28 AM »
Long tail PPC campaigns is a precarious issue IMHO. Long tail paid and organic search are not the same game.
The problem, in AdWords, is the minimum bid. You minimum bid is determined by your account history, Quality Score, and the history of the search vertical.
Why is it that a big company like eBay or Amazon can make such a killing off the long-tail? Because they have time. One thousand clicks that do nothing don't leave much of a dent in a campaign that generates tens of thousands of clicks per hour. But if you only generate one thousand clicks per month, the long-tail can be a death by tiny cuts.

If you have too many phrases that only generate a few clicks per week/month, their combined cost can overwhelm a small budget. The important thing to remember is that organic search and paid search have a major difference: organic visibility lasts as long as your website exists, but paid only lasts 'til you run out of money. If you are running a small to medium campaign you may find better results from running large groupings of negative words rather than from a long list of long-tail phrases.

A secondary concern while using the long-tail in paid search is that the more obscure your phrase, the less likely that you will achieve a high quality sore, unless you are targeting the phrase in your copy. If you have a low quality score, even an on-topic phrase may cost more than it is worth in the long run.
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« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2009, 01:28:50 AM »
nice post paul...but what do you recommend..is long tail organic search much more worthy than long tail paid one??

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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2009, 02:07:48 AM »

A secondary concern while using the long-tail in paid search is that the more obscure your phrase, the less likely that you will achieve a high quality sore, unless you are targeting the phrase in your copy. If you have a low quality score, even an on-topic phrase may cost more than it is worth in the long run.

Shouldn't be a concern - you should be targeting the phrase in your landing page copy for the sake of conversions to begin with, let alone quality score.

IMHO, the long tail is an excellent source of cheap clicks, and I'm speaking from experience
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2009, 02:44:55 AM »

Shouldn't be a concern - you should be targeting the phrase in your landing page copy for the sake of conversions to begin with, let alone quality score.

IMHO, the long tail is an excellent source of cheap clicks, and I'm speaking from experience
After years of taking over under-performing accounts I have learned that checking the destination pages is a low-hanging fruit.Certainly a long-tail campaign can be fruitful, but there are hazards that are easy to miss for novice managers.

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« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2009, 04:08:41 AM »
Until I get examples otherwise, I am not sure that the long tail is expensive in the long run - With well targetted landing pages, I can run up to a couple of hundred keyphrases based on 2 or 3 keywords, and set them individually to exact match - which means :

a)I get a lower CPC because the query exactly matches keyphrase

b)The landing page includes the variations of the keywords, and a good call to action, again dropping the CPC.

c)I can target about 10 000 keywords with 50 landing pages..

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2009, 04:42:51 AM »
I have no question that the long-tail CAN produce a profitable campaign. But there are caveats that should be considered while building them.

Just like the Content Network there are times when it shines and times when it weighs down the campaign. The particulars of your business goals should inform your approach.

There are circumstances that counter indicate the use of long-tail:

    * Highly localized vertical
    * Long buying cycle paired with low budget
    * Vertical that has had high rate of click arbitrage

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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2009, 05:04:45 AM »
I also think long tail can be very profitable.  I have many long tail keywords that make money, although it isn't consistent.

The problem with long tail is when you have too many variations of the same keyword and you don't know if that keyword convert.  Then it takes you months to determine if each word is worth keeping up, by then you've spent tons of money on all these long tail variations of a main keyword that isn't profitable.

A great way to find good long tail keywords is by looking at your analytics program and seeing what long tail keywords people are using to find your site THAT CONVERT.  You can then take these words, run them through word tracker or whatever you use and come up with new long tail keywords.

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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2009, 05:45:58 AM »
nice thread guys....
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2009, 06:12:24 AM »
I agree 100%. I know first hand how longtail can hurt your PPC campaign that is using a small budget. Another problem is that 1 and 2 word phrases  lead to low conversions, longtail keywords lead to higher conversions.

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